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		<title>By: Tom Stine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Stine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Glen I couldn&#039;t agree more!</description>
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		<title>By: Glen Allsopp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glen Allsopp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 11:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, your last point is definitely my favourite. No matter what you believe in or what you follow, make sure you are having fun. Life is too short for you not to be.

Cheers,
Glen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, your last point is definitely my favourite. No matter what you believe in or what you follow, make sure you are having fun. Life is too short for you not to be.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Glen</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Stine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Stine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Vern  I&#039;m glad you are enjoying the articles. It is a wonderful thing to experience a stopped mind. Very peaceful. And you are correct:  you can&#039;t get it. It gets you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Vern  I&#8217;m glad you are enjoying the articles. It is a wonderful thing to experience a stopped mind. Very peaceful. And you are correct:  you can&#8217;t get it. It gets you.</p>
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		<title>By: Vern at AimforAwesome</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vern at AimforAwesome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, you said - &quot;The Truth is outside of the mind and cannot be found in the mind.&quot; I couldn&#039;t be more with you on this... Once the mind goes away, whatever process that&#039;s available to us all - can begin. It&#039;s so strange that it starts on it&#039;s own. In brief, I sat, watched the breath and kept re-focusing on the breath. I practiced mindfulness during the day often too. Before long the mind stopped. Stopped as in no movement whatsoever... no thought, no perceptions that ran through the mind filter of memory and experience... The process just started on it&#039;s own then. The mind, ego, self - need to get out of the way so the natural process can start. It&#039;s not something you can go get. It comes. It&#039;s not something you can move toward except by slowing down and then stopping the mind. 

And, it doesn&#039;t appear that the process starts from the mind. I liken it to something from outside the normal realm of 3-d experience and reality coming and touching me. It&#039;s as if a corner of heaven is bent down and happens to touch me... from there reality is changed to such an incredible plane... one that I didn&#039;t create. I didn&#039;t even know about before meditation.

I&#039;m not like most meditators, choosing not to know about the BuddhISM expectations and path that &#039;should&#039; be followed as one meditates samatha / vipassana style... I didn&#039;t want to know. I wanted the essence. What happens in my own experiment when I sit, focus on breath and be mindful of the present moment when I&#039;m going through my day? Wow. LOTS! Anyway - enough writing... enjoying your articles immensely. - Vern</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, you said &#8211; &#8220;The Truth is outside of the mind and cannot be found in the mind.&#8221; I couldn&#8217;t be more with you on this&#8230; Once the mind goes away, whatever process that&#8217;s available to us all &#8211; can begin. It&#8217;s so strange that it starts on it&#8217;s own. In brief, I sat, watched the breath and kept re-focusing on the breath. I practiced mindfulness during the day often too. Before long the mind stopped. Stopped as in no movement whatsoever&#8230; no thought, no perceptions that ran through the mind filter of memory and experience&#8230; The process just started on it&#8217;s own then. The mind, ego, self &#8211; need to get out of the way so the natural process can start. It&#8217;s not something you can go get. It comes. It&#8217;s not something you can move toward except by slowing down and then stopping the mind. </p>
<p>And, it doesn&#8217;t appear that the process starts from the mind. I liken it to something from outside the normal realm of 3-d experience and reality coming and touching me. It&#8217;s as if a corner of heaven is bent down and happens to touch me&#8230; from there reality is changed to such an incredible plane&#8230; one that I didn&#8217;t create. I didn&#8217;t even know about before meditation.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not like most meditators, choosing not to know about the BuddhISM expectations and path that &#8217;should&#8217; be followed as one meditates samatha / vipassana style&#8230; I didn&#8217;t want to know. I wanted the essence. What happens in my own experiment when I sit, focus on breath and be mindful of the present moment when I&#8217;m going through my day? Wow. LOTS! Anyway &#8211; enough writing&#8230; enjoying your articles immensely. &#8211; Vern</p>
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		<title>By: Vern at AimforAwesome</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vern at AimforAwesome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lazyboys! They work, as do reclining business chairs. I was working in my home office in Florida once... and leaned back in the chair to relax a bit. I closed my eyes, hands in my lap and watched the breath a bit. In a few minutes I had one of the most profound states of focused concentration that ever came. I&#039;ve explained it at my meditation journal site. If you&#039;re interested I can email you the link - don&#039;t want to keep dropping links in your comments, don&#039;t know how you feel about that. I&#039;m really enjoying your blog - reading more everyday. A great find! Keep it up Tom, you write it, I&#039;ll read it!

&lt;em&gt;Vern at AimforAwesome&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.aimforawesome.com/2008/07/15/video-1-questioning-your-religion/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Video 1: Questioning Your Religion&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lazyboys! They work, as do reclining business chairs. I was working in my home office in Florida once&#8230; and leaned back in the chair to relax a bit. I closed my eyes, hands in my lap and watched the breath a bit. In a few minutes I had one of the most profound states of focused concentration that ever came. I&#8217;ve explained it at my meditation journal site. If you&#8217;re interested I can email you the link &#8211; don&#8217;t want to keep dropping links in your comments, don&#8217;t know how you feel about that. I&#8217;m really enjoying your blog &#8211; reading more everyday. A great find! Keep it up Tom, you write it, I&#8217;ll read it!</p>
<p><em>Vern at AimforAwesome&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://www.aimforawesome.com/2008/07/15/video-1-questioning-your-religion/' rel="nofollow">Video 1: Questioning Your Religion</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Tom Stine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Stine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Vern  Glad you liked the post and have subscribed. Thanks! and glad to have you here. 

Yes, we all experience everything in a different way. A big &quot;mistake&quot; that people make is to try to be like the Buddha. If he sat under the tree, then that was his gig. Not mine. I don&#039;t have any nice trees to sit under. I prefer my Lazyboy! We all have our own unique path, don&#039;t we?  And yet, I agree, there is something to meditation. Or sitting, as I prefer to call it. Just stop, sit, and let what comes, come. Very powerful process, in my opinion.

Nice to have you here. I will try to head over to your blog and have a look!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Vern  Glad you liked the post and have subscribed. Thanks! and glad to have you here. </p>
<p>Yes, we all experience everything in a different way. A big &#8220;mistake&#8221; that people make is to try to be like the Buddha. If he sat under the tree, then that was his gig. Not mine. I don&#8217;t have any nice trees to sit under. I prefer my Lazyboy! We all have our own unique path, don&#8217;t we?  And yet, I agree, there is something to meditation. Or sitting, as I prefer to call it. Just stop, sit, and let what comes, come. Very powerful process, in my opinion.</p>
<p>Nice to have you here. I will try to head over to your blog and have a look!</p>
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		<title>By: Vern at AimforAwesome</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 04:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tom - I liked #7 a lot. Wrote about it myself at a journal type mini-site I have: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thaipulse.com/seemlessness/free-thinking-buddha-nibbana-meditation.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Buddha was just a person&lt;/a&gt;.

The Buddha, Jesus - they were just people - if they really existed at all. Because they experienced something doesn&#039;t mean you can by repeating what they did. You&#039;re a different person. Your mind is not the same as anyone else&#039;s and yet there are similarities. It&#039;s a nice thought that we can sit under a bodhi tree and find enlightenment, but a lot lead up to the point he was at before he sat down. 

That said, there is something to the meditation idea (focusing on the breath and mindfulness). I found amazing states as the mind slowed, then stopped. I am starting to write more at my main blog but the most material is at seemlessness. Many videos and things I hope you have a look at if you have some time. Best of Life Tom - I love your blog - I grabbed the RSS already. :) Vern

&lt;em&gt;Vern at AimforAwesome&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/AimForAWESOME/~3/333456433/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Quieting the Subconscious Through Meditation&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom &#8211; I liked #7 a lot. Wrote about it myself at a journal type mini-site I have: <a href="http://www.thaipulse.com/seemlessness/free-thinking-buddha-nibbana-meditation.htm" rel="nofollow">Buddha was just a person</a>.</p>
<p>The Buddha, Jesus &#8211; they were just people &#8211; if they really existed at all. Because they experienced something doesn&#8217;t mean you can by repeating what they did. You&#8217;re a different person. Your mind is not the same as anyone else&#8217;s and yet there are similarities. It&#8217;s a nice thought that we can sit under a bodhi tree and find enlightenment, but a lot lead up to the point he was at before he sat down. </p>
<p>That said, there is something to the meditation idea (focusing on the breath and mindfulness). I found amazing states as the mind slowed, then stopped. I am starting to write more at my main blog but the most material is at seemlessness. Many videos and things I hope you have a look at if you have some time. Best of Life Tom &#8211; I love your blog &#8211; I grabbed the RSS already. <img src='http://tomstine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Vern</p>
<p><em>Vern at AimforAwesome&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/AimForAWESOME/~3/333456433/' rel="nofollow">Quieting the Subconscious Through Meditation</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Tom Stine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Stine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ariel  Thanks! I must say compliments like yours are quite nice to hear. :-D  I&#039;ll have to check out your blog. Namaste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ariel  Thanks! I must say compliments like yours are quite nice to hear. <img src='http://tomstine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' />   I&#8217;ll have to check out your blog. Namaste.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Ariel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, you rock. You seriously rock. It&#039;s great seeing people like you coming to these awesome conclusions. Reading you posts, you feel like a brother to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, you rock. You seriously rock. It&#8217;s great seeing people like you coming to these awesome conclusions. Reading you posts, you feel like a brother to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Krusen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Krusen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 07:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Davidya, I like where you say &quot;sharing the experience...&quot; I have found this to be so true with Tom&#039;s comments and those that have followed. I&#039;ve gotten stuck a few times myself the last little while. Some medicine adjustments are clearing the fog of perception for me. Thanks for your input on some of my recent comments on some of the post here on Tom&#039;s blog.

&lt;em&gt;Mark Krusen&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://justakrusen.blogspot.com/2008/04/justa-reflecting-on-some-things.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Justa reflecting on some things.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Davidya, I like where you say &#8220;sharing the experience&#8230;&#8221; I have found this to be so true with Tom&#8217;s comments and those that have followed. I&#8217;ve gotten stuck a few times myself the last little while. Some medicine adjustments are clearing the fog of perception for me. Thanks for your input on some of my recent comments on some of the post here on Tom&#8217;s blog.</p>
<p><em>Mark Krusen&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://justakrusen.blogspot.com/2008/04/justa-reflecting-on-some-things.html' rel="nofollow">Justa reflecting on some things.</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Davidya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davidya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree entirely. The path is not all well marked, so we need the help of those that have gone before. We need an expanded perspective so we don&#039;t take the new and put it in too small a box. Its easy to get stuck otherwise. And when its very new, its oh so valuable to have someone say yes, this is it. 

Even when we&#039;re at the heights of existence, sharing the experience can broaden the horizons even more. 

Good teachers like Adya are the special treasures  ;-)

&lt;em&gt;Davidya&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://in2deep.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/the-electric-sun/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Electric Sun&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree entirely. The path is not all well marked, so we need the help of those that have gone before. We need an expanded perspective so we don&#8217;t take the new and put it in too small a box. Its easy to get stuck otherwise. And when its very new, its oh so valuable to have someone say yes, this is it. </p>
<p>Even when we&#8217;re at the heights of existence, sharing the experience can broaden the horizons even more. </p>
<p>Good teachers like Adya are the special treasures  <img src='http://tomstine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><em>Davidya&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://in2deep.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/the-electric-sun/' rel="nofollow">The Electric Sun</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Tom Stine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Stine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Davidya  You know, we really can&#039;t get around those initial human teachers, can we? They are important. They are often essential. As flawed as so many of them are, still, we need them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Davidya  You know, we really can&#8217;t get around those initial human teachers, can we? They are important. They are often essential. As flawed as so many of them are, still, we need them.</p>
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		<title>By: Davidya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davidya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 05:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tom  Welcome back to the world! I agree, the inner guru is the true teacher. At first, it is through learning and experience. After the second waking, we have passed the final &#039;veil&#039;, woken from the final illusion. Then all of expression is found to be the flow of consciousness within ourself, and that flow is knowledge. What remains is true, the true guru emerges. That who we always were. 

And yes, the opening or awakening never ends. Always more refinement, more opening, more growth, and more love is possible. Where is the end to infinity?

&lt;em&gt;Davidya&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://in2deep.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/the-electric-sun/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Electric Sun&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tom  Welcome back to the world! I agree, the inner guru is the true teacher. At first, it is through learning and experience. After the second waking, we have passed the final &#8216;veil&#8217;, woken from the final illusion. Then all of expression is found to be the flow of consciousness within ourself, and that flow is knowledge. What remains is true, the true guru emerges. That who we always were. </p>
<p>And yes, the opening or awakening never ends. Always more refinement, more opening, more growth, and more love is possible. Where is the end to infinity?</p>
<p><em>Davidya&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://in2deep.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/the-electric-sun/' rel="nofollow">The Electric Sun</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Tom Stine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Stine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 02:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Davidya  I liked these things that you learned. As you know, I&#039;m on an Adyashanti kick. But I know I will move beyond him. As Nisargadatta so aptly pointed out, it is the Guru (the inner one) that is our only true teacher. All the human ones are meant to drop away.

The awakened are not perfected. Duh! :-) That needs a more complete response on my part. It seems that the One is always looking to more clearly express love in the world of form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Davidya  I liked these things that you learned. As you know, I&#8217;m on an Adyashanti kick. But I know I will move beyond him. As Nisargadatta so aptly pointed out, it is the Guru (the inner one) that is our only true teacher. All the human ones are meant to drop away.</p>
<p>The awakened are not perfected. Duh! <img src='http://tomstine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  That needs a more complete response on my part. It seems that the One is always looking to more clearly express love in the world of form.</p>
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		<title>By: Davidya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davidya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 04:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tom
Interesting comment on &quot;who am I&quot;. I agree that it is something one can only answer within oneself. I would say it also shifts from a sense of who we experience ourselves to be to the sense of who we are, our sense of being. Values of illusion, followed by deepening awareness of being. 

I would also say that its important to understand that who we seem to be changes over time so there is no single answer. I have found a framework for seeing how that evolves is quite useful. Adya&#039;s post-awakening discussion DVD for example. Each of us steps through that uniquely, but there are some general &#039;typicals&#039;, just as there are typical growth stages in a childs maturing. Understanding the pattern helps us step through the disintegration stage of the growth cycle that arises as we drop the old but have not fully stepped into the new. A road map if you will, and a verification of experience. 

So I guess we could say the question remains an important one even if there is no one answer. ;-)

&lt;em&gt;Davidya&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://in2deep.wordpress.com/2008/04/26/desire-vs-craving/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Desire vs Craving&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tom<br />
Interesting comment on &#8220;who am I&#8221;. I agree that it is something one can only answer within oneself. I would say it also shifts from a sense of who we experience ourselves to be to the sense of who we are, our sense of being. Values of illusion, followed by deepening awareness of being. </p>
<p>I would also say that its important to understand that who we seem to be changes over time so there is no single answer. I have found a framework for seeing how that evolves is quite useful. Adya&#8217;s post-awakening discussion DVD for example. Each of us steps through that uniquely, but there are some general &#8216;typicals&#8217;, just as there are typical growth stages in a childs maturing. Understanding the pattern helps us step through the disintegration stage of the growth cycle that arises as we drop the old but have not fully stepped into the new. A road map if you will, and a verification of experience. </p>
<p>So I guess we could say the question remains an important one even if there is no one answer. <img src='http://tomstine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><em>Davidya&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://in2deep.wordpress.com/2008/04/26/desire-vs-craving/' rel="nofollow">Desire vs Craving</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Tom Stine</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 03:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Steve  Thanks for visiting and for your comment. The question &quot;Who am I?&quot; is, from my perspective, not meant to get an answer. It is a strategy, a tool for seeing something new about oneself. In a sense, it is a question I could never give an answer to, even though I write about it. It is really a question that only the asker can &quot;answer,&quot; and even then, really, it is an experience. Thank you again for reading and commenting. Glad to have you here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Steve  Thanks for visiting and for your comment. The question &#8220;Who am I?&#8221; is, from my perspective, not meant to get an answer. It is a strategy, a tool for seeing something new about oneself. In a sense, it is a question I could never give an answer to, even though I write about it. It is really a question that only the asker can &#8220;answer,&#8221; and even then, really, it is an experience. Thank you again for reading and commenting. Glad to have you here.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Stine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Stine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 02:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lisa  Thank you very much for your comments. Yes, absolutely, direct experience is really all that counts. That is true spirituality, don&#039;t you think? Nice to have you here. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lisa  Thank you very much for your comments. Yes, absolutely, direct experience is really all that counts. That is true spirituality, don&#8217;t you think? Nice to have you here. <img src='http://tomstine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Davidya</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michelle
Tapping into the collective is valid but quite distinct from past lives. Past lives have a kind of thread of continuity through them, interlacing with nodes of other lives. 

As Tom mentions, theres a lot of pseudo past life stories floating around. Always a bad sign if they were always famous or with the famous. But as you observe, we tend to draw out what relates to the current scenario, what we need to know. If its valid, it will tend to grow in clarity and complexity over time. False tends to be stuck and deteriorate. True also tends to be hard to take, that we may have behaved like that. Tom&#039;s prostitute comes to mind. Violence, hate, stupidity, death. Past lives are not typically pretty. On the other hand, when you remember death a few times, it looses any hold on you. 

I&#039;d say that in some ways its a blessing not to go there. Stick with the now and the truth. Much more fun.

&lt;em&gt;Davidya&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://in2deep.wordpress.com/2008/04/23/deepest-being/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Deepest Being&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michelle<br />
Tapping into the collective is valid but quite distinct from past lives. Past lives have a kind of thread of continuity through them, interlacing with nodes of other lives. </p>
<p>As Tom mentions, theres a lot of pseudo past life stories floating around. Always a bad sign if they were always famous or with the famous. But as you observe, we tend to draw out what relates to the current scenario, what we need to know. If its valid, it will tend to grow in clarity and complexity over time. False tends to be stuck and deteriorate. True also tends to be hard to take, that we may have behaved like that. Tom&#8217;s prostitute comes to mind. Violence, hate, stupidity, death. Past lives are not typically pretty. On the other hand, when you remember death a few times, it looses any hold on you. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d say that in some ways its a blessing not to go there. Stick with the now and the truth. Much more fun.</p>
<p><em>Davidya&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://in2deep.wordpress.com/2008/04/23/deepest-being/' rel="nofollow">Deepest Being</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Davidya</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tom
Great article. I&#039;ve learned much the same, some of it the hard way (laughs). Have run into channelers who are channeling someone who&#039;s not who they say they are. Its also pretty clear its hard on the channel. It was suggested that channeling reduces mind-body integration so is contrary to spiritual progress. 

You may find past lives slightly more useful when experienced directly. They can give context to some of the curiosities in our lives, like why I was lead to police work for a bit. (it was not a natural fit) That said, they are part of what i call the mesh, the structure of illusion, the story, so they are something to move past. Theres a cool stage when the mesh collapses and the supposed causality and &#039;karma&#039; dissolve. This actually changes history. But thats another subject...

A few others i had to learn that come to mind - there is no one truth. Nor one guru. You will outgrow the teacher. The teacher is human. Oh, and the awakened are not perfected (laughs)

&lt;em&gt;Davidya&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://in2deep.wordpress.com/2008/04/23/deepest-being/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Deepest Being&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tom<br />
Great article. I&#8217;ve learned much the same, some of it the hard way (laughs). Have run into channelers who are channeling someone who&#8217;s not who they say they are. Its also pretty clear its hard on the channel. It was suggested that channeling reduces mind-body integration so is contrary to spiritual progress. </p>
<p>You may find past lives slightly more useful when experienced directly. They can give context to some of the curiosities in our lives, like why I was lead to police work for a bit. (it was not a natural fit) That said, they are part of what i call the mesh, the structure of illusion, the story, so they are something to move past. Theres a cool stage when the mesh collapses and the supposed causality and &#8216;karma&#8217; dissolve. This actually changes history. But thats another subject&#8230;</p>
<p>A few others i had to learn that come to mind &#8211; there is no one truth. Nor one guru. You will outgrow the teacher. The teacher is human. Oh, and the awakened are not perfected (laughs)</p>
<p><em>Davidya&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://in2deep.wordpress.com/2008/04/23/deepest-being/' rel="nofollow">Deepest Being</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Mills</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Mills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 04:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Tom,
These are the lessons of someone that has travelled the path for a good amount of time, has seen through the outer forms that people obsess over and into some deeper &quot;truths&quot;.

I think these older forms of spirituality and traditional religion are about giving people complete answers to the &quot;who am i and what is this?&quot; question. I feel that you recongise that this is not a question with an easy, one size fits all anser.

&lt;em&gt;Steve Mills&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/GreengemYourMindOperatingSystem/~3/273337642/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Stress Of Connection Culture&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Tom,<br />
These are the lessons of someone that has travelled the path for a good amount of time, has seen through the outer forms that people obsess over and into some deeper &#8220;truths&#8221;.</p>
<p>I think these older forms of spirituality and traditional religion are about giving people complete answers to the &#8220;who am i and what is this?&#8221; question. I feel that you recongise that this is not a question with an easy, one size fits all anser.</p>
<p><em>Steve Mills&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/GreengemYourMindOperatingSystem/~3/273337642/' rel="nofollow">Stress Of Connection Culture</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Natoli</title>
		<link>http://tomstine.com/11-things-ive-learned/comment-page-1/#comment-375</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Natoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 02:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! Great post. I just stumbled upon this blog. I love what you wrote: Direct experience or nothing, thank you very much! 

actually, I love the whole post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! Great post. I just stumbled upon this blog. I love what you wrote: Direct experience or nothing, thank you very much! </p>
<p>actually, I love the whole post.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Stine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Stine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Raymond  You bet! I enjoyed writing it. Glad you like #7.

@Alex You are so right, my friend. Balance is very important. We can spend an enormous amount of time on our &quot;spiritual life&quot; and let the rest of our life go to hell. Been there. And vice versa, too. Been there also! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Raymond  You bet! I enjoyed writing it. Glad you like #7.</p>
<p>@Alex You are so right, my friend. Balance is very important. We can spend an enormous amount of time on our &#8220;spiritual life&#8221; and let the rest of our life go to hell. Been there. And vice versa, too. Been there also! <img src='http://tomstine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Alex Kay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Kay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 09:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a beautiful article Tom - not only the writing, but also the formatting.

Definately agree on #11.

You can use all of your life to find out &quot;who you are&quot;, or &quot;why you&#039;re here&quot; or similar. But you can also do a (little) bit of that, and enjoy the rest.

For me it&#039;s *all* about finding the right balance.

:)

&lt;em&gt;Alex Kay&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.justkeepthechange.com/on-being-a-man&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;On Being a Man&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a beautiful article Tom &#8211; not only the writing, but also the formatting.</p>
<p>Definately agree on #11.</p>
<p>You can use all of your life to find out &#8220;who you are&#8221;, or &#8220;why you&#8217;re here&#8221; or similar. But you can also do a (little) bit of that, and enjoy the rest.</p>
<p>For me it&#8217;s *all* about finding the right balance.</p>
<p> <img src='http://tomstine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><em>Alex Kay&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://www.justkeepthechange.com/on-being-a-man' rel="nofollow">On Being a Man</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Raymond Chua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raymond Chua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 07:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tom,

What a great sharing.

I absolutely agree with you on the 7th point.

&quot;The Truth is outside of the mind and cannot be found in the mind&quot;

This one really got me thinking. :)

Thank you for this great article, Tom.

&lt;em&gt;Raymond Chua&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://attractingyourgoals.com/the-most-powerful-skills-to-learn-any-skills-you-want/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Most Powerful Skills to Learn Any Skills You Want&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom,</p>
<p>What a great sharing.</p>
<p>I absolutely agree with you on the 7th point.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Truth is outside of the mind and cannot be found in the mind&#8221;</p>
<p>This one really got me thinking. <img src='http://tomstine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thank you for this great article, Tom.</p>
<p><em>Raymond Chua&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://attractingyourgoals.com/the-most-powerful-skills-to-learn-any-skills-you-want/' rel="nofollow">The Most Powerful Skills to Learn Any Skills You Want</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 03:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mark,

Our thoughts are part of us, not vice versa.

&lt;em&gt;Evan&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://wellbeingandhealth.net/uncategorized/some-great-posts/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Some Great Posts&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark,</p>
<p>Our thoughts are part of us, not vice versa.</p>
<p><em>Evan&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://wellbeingandhealth.net/uncategorized/some-great-posts/' rel="nofollow">Some Great Posts</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Tom Stine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Stine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 02:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tejvan  I agree. What we seek is beyond the mind. The mind is contained within it.

@Mark  When you go beyond the mind, you discover yourself, who you really are. When you aren&#039;t thinking, even for just a moment, are you not still you? Aren&#039;t you aware of things? What are you when you aren&#039;t thinking? THAT&#039;S the question!! What are you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tejvan  I agree. What we seek is beyond the mind. The mind is contained within it.</p>
<p>@Mark  When you go beyond the mind, you discover yourself, who you really are. When you aren&#8217;t thinking, even for just a moment, are you not still you? Aren&#8217;t you aware of things? What are you when you aren&#8217;t thinking? THAT&#8217;S the question!! What are you?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Krusen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Krusen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 02:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tejvan, When you go beyond the mind and mental thought where are you?

&lt;em&gt;Mark Krusen&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://justakrusen.blogspot.com/2008/04/justa-having-day-together.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Justa having a day together!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tejvan, When you go beyond the mind and mental thought where are you?</p>
<p><em>Mark Krusen&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://justakrusen.blogspot.com/2008/04/justa-having-day-together.html' rel="nofollow">Justa having a day together!</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Tejvan Pettinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tejvan Pettinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting thoughts on spirituality. I think an important thing is that spirituality can never be contained to the mind and mental thought, you have to go beyond.

&lt;em&gt;Tejvan Pettinger&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.srichinmoybio.co.uk/blog/self-improvement/eliminating-your-weakness-the-positive-way/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Eliminating your weakness - the positive way&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting thoughts on spirituality. I think an important thing is that spirituality can never be contained to the mind and mental thought, you have to go beyond.</p>
<p><em>Tejvan Pettinger&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://www.srichinmoybio.co.uk/blog/self-improvement/eliminating-your-weakness-the-positive-way/' rel="nofollow">Eliminating your weakness &#8211; the positive way</a></em></p>
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