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		<title>By: a buddhist carnival - first 2009 edition!</title>
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		<dc:creator>a buddhist carnival - first 2009 edition!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fellow spiritual blogger tom stine points out, it’s not truly the desire that’s the issue, but rather the attachment to and identification with desire by the separate self. this attachment [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Abraham-Hicks Discusses Desire &#124; You Are Truly Loved</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abraham-Hicks Discusses Desire &#124; You Are Truly Loved</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] blogger Tom Stine points out, it&#8217;s not truly the desire that&#8217;s the issue, but rather the attachment to and identification with desire by the separate self. This attachment is sometimes called &#8216;clinging.&#8217; It is the clinging that is what needs [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] blogger Tom Stine points out, it&#8217;s not truly the desire that&#8217;s the issue, but rather the attachment to and identification with desire by the separate self. This attachment is sometimes called &#8216;clinging.&#8217; It is the clinging that is what needs [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Stine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Stine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 02:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Barbara  Ah, you know, for some reason I&#039;ve always loved Hale&#039;s silly laugh. He gets so tickled at things, especially at retreats. But the hype? Ugh. Also, I&#039;m finding it really funny that whatever spiritual thing makes it big (and on to Oprah), Hale is right there with &quot;see how the Sedona Method is THE NEW EARTH!&quot; I just crack-up laughing. 

But you are right. There is no battle. We love Hale for all his stuff, we love ourselves for all of our stuff. We just love more and more. That&#039;s the way, really. Thanks Barbara!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Barbara  Ah, you know, for some reason I&#8217;ve always loved Hale&#8217;s silly laugh. He gets so tickled at things, especially at retreats. But the hype? Ugh. Also, I&#8217;m finding it really funny that whatever spiritual thing makes it big (and on to Oprah), Hale is right there with &#8220;see how the Sedona Method is THE NEW EARTH!&#8221; I just crack-up laughing. </p>
<p>But you are right. There is no battle. We love Hale for all his stuff, we love ourselves for all of our stuff. We just love more and more. That&#8217;s the way, really. Thanks Barbara!</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Tom, 

I love the part about desire, yes a desire like an aversion is just a feeling. And feelings only lie :-)
In a lot of spiritual circles there sometimes seems to be an attachment to an aversion of desire...grin. 

Yes the hype like style that Hale is following was bothering me as well, but what was worse was his laughter. It took me a year, but when I hear it these days it makes me smile. Don&#039;t love or hate it, just is a silly laugh and that makes me laugh.. 

Keep going, I&#039;ll be back and share some deep serious stuff when I&#039;m in that mood (and thats a feeling to ). 

But seriously isn&#039;t it great how this way of living takes the sting out of things. The battle has finally been fought when we figured out that there is no battle to begin with.. And we can start doing what we are doing.

Love,

Barbara</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Tom, </p>
<p>I love the part about desire, yes a desire like an aversion is just a feeling. And feelings only lie <img src='http://tomstine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
In a lot of spiritual circles there sometimes seems to be an attachment to an aversion of desire&#8230;grin. </p>
<p>Yes the hype like style that Hale is following was bothering me as well, but what was worse was his laughter. It took me a year, but when I hear it these days it makes me smile. Don&#8217;t love or hate it, just is a silly laugh and that makes me laugh.. </p>
<p>Keep going, I&#8217;ll be back and share some deep serious stuff when I&#8217;m in that mood (and thats a feeling to ). </p>
<p>But seriously isn&#8217;t it great how this way of living takes the sting out of things. The battle has finally been fought when we figured out that there is no battle to begin with.. And we can start doing what we are doing.</p>
<p>Love,</p>
<p>Barbara</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Stine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Stine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 04:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very cool, Michelle. I will need to learn more. And thanks for the heads-up on CK&#039;s tag....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very cool, Michelle. I will need to learn more. And thanks for the heads-up on CK&#8217;s tag&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Vandepas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Vandepas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 02:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holistic Marketing (I wrote a book about it) is really about connecting with people and finding out if there is a match - that goes for products, services, people, whatever. When selling/marketing, you just share the info without expectations.....

BTW. CK tagged you on her last post.

&lt;em&gt;Michelle Vandepas&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/DivinePurposeUnleashed/~3/274786416/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Now You Too Can Be Tagged By A Blogger’s Compulsive Behavior!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holistic Marketing (I wrote a book about it) is really about connecting with people and finding out if there is a match &#8211; that goes for products, services, people, whatever. When selling/marketing, you just share the info without expectations&#8230;..</p>
<p>BTW. CK tagged you on her last post.</p>
<p><em>Michelle Vandepas&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/DivinePurposeUnleashed/~3/274786416/' rel="nofollow">Now You Too Can Be Tagged By A Blogger’s Compulsive Behavior!</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Shilpan &#124;  successsoul.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shilpan &#124;  successsoul.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 02:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

What is my desire ?  Let me think. It is to have my great friend Tom Stine visit my poor site and bless it with words of wisdom. I am on fire now :)

Shilpan

&lt;em&gt;Shilpan &#124;  successsoul.com&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/SuccessSoul/~3/271811670/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;5 Ways to Identify Whiners and Winners&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>What is my desire ?  Let me think. It is to have my great friend Tom Stine visit my poor site and bless it with words of wisdom. I am on fire now <img src='http://tomstine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Shilpan</p>
<p><em>Shilpan |  successsoul.com&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/SuccessSoul/~3/271811670/' rel="nofollow">5 Ways to Identify Whiners and Winners</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Tom Stine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Stine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 23:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Evan  I like that: &quot;It is a delight to make money from making friends and offering excellent value.&quot; Well said. Why shouldn&#039;t making money be a delight? Or spending money, or giving it to charity, or losing money, or.....? As long as we are not attached, money is just a medium of exchange flowing in and flowing out. Nothing more or less. It just keeps me from having to grow wheat so I can eat bread.

Non-attachment is the way. Thanks for the comment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Evan  I like that: &#8220;It is a delight to make money from making friends and offering excellent value.&#8221; Well said. Why shouldn&#8217;t making money be a delight? Or spending money, or giving it to charity, or losing money, or&#8230;..? As long as we are not attached, money is just a medium of exchange flowing in and flowing out. Nothing more or less. It just keeps me from having to grow wheat so I can eat bread.</p>
<p>Non-attachment is the way. Thanks for the comment!</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 22:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now for the real comment.  

I only recently came to resolution of my spitituality and marketing.  It is: I am delighted to make money from making friends and offering excellent value.

Regarding desire and suffering.  They may be inseparable but they are not the same.  My breathing and oxygen are inseparable but oxygen is not my breathing.

As you say I think it is attachment not desire that is the problem.  It may be better to speak of greed than desire.

There was someone recent who seems to have conquered desire.  Krishnamurti.  His cook wrote a book called something like 10,000 Lunches with Krishnamurti.  However, he still ate in a way to be healthy.  Was this attachment.  Well, not in the same way as the attachment that leads us to gorge on chocolate or alcohol I don&#039;t think.

I see non-attachment as serving compassion and life.  Non-attachment is the raft in the Buddhist metaphor.

Thanks for a very well written post on a very important topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now for the real comment.  </p>
<p>I only recently came to resolution of my spitituality and marketing.  It is: I am delighted to make money from making friends and offering excellent value.</p>
<p>Regarding desire and suffering.  They may be inseparable but they are not the same.  My breathing and oxygen are inseparable but oxygen is not my breathing.</p>
<p>As you say I think it is attachment not desire that is the problem.  It may be better to speak of greed than desire.</p>
<p>There was someone recent who seems to have conquered desire.  Krishnamurti.  His cook wrote a book called something like 10,000 Lunches with Krishnamurti.  However, he still ate in a way to be healthy.  Was this attachment.  Well, not in the same way as the attachment that leads us to gorge on chocolate or alcohol I don&#8217;t think.</p>
<p>I see non-attachment as serving compassion and life.  Non-attachment is the raft in the Buddhist metaphor.</p>
<p>Thanks for a very well written post on a very important topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Stine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Stine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sherri- You know what I love most about blogging? When my fellow bloggers jump-in with their thoughts and ideas and opinions. It is really cool how you gave voice too much of the unsaid thoughts I have about these things. Or rather, what I did say this morning on Michelle Vandepas&#039; radio show. Would it be silly to just say, &quot;ditto, Sherri, ditto.&quot;

One thing I&#039;ve always found intriguing about spirituality is the denial of so much that is simply human. As one of my favorite spiritual teachers likes to say, the only thing that says that money and spirituality don&#039;t mix is a belief. If we pay careful attention to the Buddha&#039;s words, to Jesus&#039; words, and to a host of others, we see over and over again that it is attachment to things, to beliefs, to desires, to money, that cause us problems. Over and over again the same message. Ah, well, I will save any further comments for later. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sherri- You know what I love most about blogging? When my fellow bloggers jump-in with their thoughts and ideas and opinions. It is really cool how you gave voice too much of the unsaid thoughts I have about these things. Or rather, what I did say this morning on Michelle Vandepas&#8217; radio show. Would it be silly to just say, &#8220;ditto, Sherri, ditto.&#8221;</p>
<p>One thing I&#8217;ve always found intriguing about spirituality is the denial of so much that is simply human. As one of my favorite spiritual teachers likes to say, the only thing that says that money and spirituality don&#8217;t mix is a belief. If we pay careful attention to the Buddha&#8217;s words, to Jesus&#8217; words, and to a host of others, we see over and over again that it is attachment to things, to beliefs, to desires, to money, that cause us problems. Over and over again the same message. Ah, well, I will save any further comments for later. <img src='http://tomstine.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Debt Free or Bust  - Sherri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debt Free or Bust  - Sherri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

Interesting article! I&#039;ve always wanted to study Buddhism. I often find great wisdom in the small amounts I know about it. 

I don&#039;t think there is anything wrong with making a living from a product, even if it&#039;s about spirituality and enlightenment. When selling is done with integrity and with a customer-centered focus, it&#039;s fine, and I think you do that very well. You have an offering, you explain it&#039;s benefits, and it&#039;s up to the customer to decide to take out their money and spend it.

It&#039;s their choice, and they need to realize that. They could also hop on the internet and go to the public library to study Buddhism or Taoism or any other spiritual material for free. They could sign up for a class at a local college, too, and they would have to pay tuition for the class and pay for the textbook(s). Or they could go to the bookstore and buy books on the subject. It&#039;s their choice. 

They also have to realize they will get out of it what they choose to put into it. Put little into a spiritual journey and you won&#039;t get very far no matter how much you did or did not spend on material to learn about it.

And I believe you&#039;re right. When you let any emotion take you over, it will rule your life because you let it. Desire, hatred, pain, anger; it doesn&#039;t matter if you hold onto feelings that should be let go. Instead of spirituality and enlightenment, many choose psychotherapy to deal with the issues about their feelings, which also isn&#039;t free the last time I saw my therapist. And I don&#039;t mind paying one bit for the time of someone who is helping me move on. 

So why should charging for the Sedona Method be any different? You add value to people&#039;s lives and that&#039;s what counts.

Sherri</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>Interesting article! I&#8217;ve always wanted to study Buddhism. I often find great wisdom in the small amounts I know about it. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there is anything wrong with making a living from a product, even if it&#8217;s about spirituality and enlightenment. When selling is done with integrity and with a customer-centered focus, it&#8217;s fine, and I think you do that very well. You have an offering, you explain it&#8217;s benefits, and it&#8217;s up to the customer to decide to take out their money and spend it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s their choice, and they need to realize that. They could also hop on the internet and go to the public library to study Buddhism or Taoism or any other spiritual material for free. They could sign up for a class at a local college, too, and they would have to pay tuition for the class and pay for the textbook(s). Or they could go to the bookstore and buy books on the subject. It&#8217;s their choice. </p>
<p>They also have to realize they will get out of it what they choose to put into it. Put little into a spiritual journey and you won&#8217;t get very far no matter how much you did or did not spend on material to learn about it.</p>
<p>And I believe you&#8217;re right. When you let any emotion take you over, it will rule your life because you let it. Desire, hatred, pain, anger; it doesn&#8217;t matter if you hold onto feelings that should be let go. Instead of spirituality and enlightenment, many choose psychotherapy to deal with the issues about their feelings, which also isn&#8217;t free the last time I saw my therapist. And I don&#8217;t mind paying one bit for the time of someone who is helping me move on. </p>
<p>So why should charging for the Sedona Method be any different? You add value to people&#8217;s lives and that&#8217;s what counts.</p>
<p>Sherri</p>
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