Yes, we definitely get pointers from the universe, God or the angels – however you’d like to look at it.

It’s all about being aware.

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I share this as a former American who is now Australian and whose husband was a tutor of Computer Science at a residential college associated with a fairly impressive university. I still haven’t quite got the academic dialect differences quite right.

And just as a side note, instead of being interested in or doing “sports” you do or are interested in “sport”. Singular. No idea why.

I’m always intrigued to how many people had difficult with math. Its epidemic almost. I always enjoyed tutoring and teaching math because I found it fascinating to try to understand where someone got “lost” as it were. I would always be curious what it would take to have them find themselves again. I would often wonder, “how could they not see it?”

You know, you are making me realize how much I love teaching. I really don’t care what I’m teaching. It is fun to teach. I love teaching people about spiritual things. It is a blast for me. Sorry, I guess I’m rambling in this comment.

I’m not much good at algebra and flunked calculus. But conceptual stuff and geometry – space – that I can work with. Its more lateral.

Interesting you mention memory. Certain things in our experience go much deeper than others. Memory is one of them. In Sanskrit, they have a word – Smriti, memory. Within the silence there is 2 basic principles. A principle of alertness and a principle of liveliness. We could say memory causes the liveliness to move. Awareness is stirred and becomes aware of itself. Existence begins. Mind begins. The stirring is vibration or sound. And thus arises the flow or Intention, the movement of awareness within itself. The flow is sequential and thus structures Veda or knowledge. What might also be called intelligence. And what can described with math.

This by the way is long before anything like ‘universe’ or ‘individual’. But they follow the same principles. As above, so below.

That in a nutshell is the process of becoming. The foundation of all experience and being.

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All our communication involves mental constructs – narrative, diagrams. As does memory.

I don’t see why Maths can’t be as good a finger pointing at the moon, or raft, as any other construct. I hasten to add that Maths left me in high school. My brain just isn’t put together that way I think.

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That was a very interesting discussion that you had going on over at Zen Habits. I’m actually surprised but delighted that Leo responded to you personally.

I believe in miracles too. I believe that the universe helps us toward our destiny. God and the universe are constantly communicating with us, leaving subtle messages. It’s just a matter of being aware – raising our awareness – and determining what we are hearing or feeling (intuition) about certain situations. I believe everything happens for a reason and that every one of us has a destiny blueprint inside us, waiting to be explored and enacted on.

Great conversation – I love your writing style.

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Buckminster Fuller in Synergetics would be a good example. Its subtitle is explorations in the geometry of thinking. I wrote a paper on it back in the ’70′s myself.

When the mind grasps the underlying structure of expression, the math is obvious. What you suggest is, i think, it coalescing as common knowledge rather than some eccentric branch.

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But I wonder. You see, at the end of the line, for both math and physics, I see a “road closed” sign. At some point, physics and math will get to a place that they can’t go beyond. The reason is that math and physics are mental constructs. They are a conceptual way to explain the totality of existence. But what I see as The All is beyond the mind, beyond its capacity to invent a system for describing The All.

See, its a funny thing: all the really awake folks, the true mystics, all report the same thing: what they are, what we are, what I am, what you are, is something beyond the mind. The mind is contained in what we are, but the totality is beyond. How can science or math ever go beyond the mind? They can’t because they are OF the mind. Make sense?

My own personal experience of the mystical seems to confirm this view. What I am is beyond the mind.

Bummer really, that math may never be able to get “there.” But then again, there are only millions (billions? trillions?) of uncharted aspects of what math and science can explore. So there is still tremendous value in them. How about artificial intelligence? Faster than light travel? Worm holes? A science fiction lover’s dream! Hmm…. My inner geek is getting excited about math and science again. I guess I’ll have to dig out a good sci fi book.

Thanks as always for your comments! Namaste.

Thanks for replying to my thoughts. Re your reply,

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I see science (or rather mathematics) explaining everything, eventually – even if only via concepts like infinity (expressed, succinctly, by a simple symbol) or complex numbers or… (I’ve forgotten most of my degree-level mathematics lol).

There is as much mystery in mathematics as spirituality. That’s why I firmly believe the world of mathematics and spirituality will coalesce later or sooner!

Steve

Here’s a quote from Lorne last night:
“The observer, the witness is still observing the individual person. It’s still lodged in the mind, in the me, the individual person. The silence is not lodged in the person, it’s everywhere. It’s even beyond the awareness.

How to get that witness to know itself as that omnipresence that is being experienced? We stop, and we allow, and we surrender.”

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A key thing about letting go: it isn’t getting rid of. It is unclenching, relaxing, allowing, ultimately loving. The common thread. All of it with one purpose: to love well. At least, that’s how it looks to me.

It took me a few such mistakes before i finally saw that the path is not black and white with tidy little steps on a grid each person follows. That its an organic, unique process for each of us. And many jump around, touching on very high states and falling and dancing and so on.

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I recommend the book “The Answer” that just came out. It takes a physiological approach at explaining Law of Attraction. I like that he doesn’t throw the word LOA around, but explains very clearly at why the results work.

Love the discussions here. Thank you Tom.

Tina

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The paradox is born of different perspectives. To the awake, there is no mistake, no lack, only perfection. Within the dream, this makes no sense. Lack, suffering, and evil abound. Amazing what a difference a perspective can make.

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Thanks very much for the comments and compliments. Namaste.

As Hale Dwoskin (Sedona Method) points out, over 1/3 of the people in the movie The Secret have learned and/or practice the Sedona Method. And I guarantee that most of them didn’t sit on their butts and “think” a new car into the driveway. Some action surely occurred. Dare I say it even looked like “hard work” at times?

When I first saw The Secret, just after it came out, I hated it. Why? Because as I’ve mentioned elsewhere, half those guys seem like used car salesmen. I had to drop some stuff of my internal stuff, to say the least.

Deeper and deeper we go, cleaning out more and more. That’s the way.

It seems to me that one problem with LOA is that it asserts incompletion. If you are making a request that the universe provide a desire, that very desire asserts that you ‘lack’ and thus, are incomplete.

As many ‘spiritual masters’ proclaim, there is NO incompletion, only deluded ego/self ‘belief’ in incompletion. Possibly, the very moment the mind desires it thereby asserts incompletion which, in fact, may be what you receive – more incompletion.

A paradox?

However, I sense that the promoters of LOA who play up the ‘gratitude’ aspect are on the right track. If my gratitude (love) comes from a ‘spaciousness’ of completion, then I suspect I should only attain more abundant completion or ‘addition’ to my already complete wholeness. But the thing is, if I envision myself complete, I may NOT experience addition to my complete Being because I’m already THERE!

A friend directed me to your site Tom and as I read the posts it seems you’ve got some great thoughts going on up there.

Keep up the good work!

Thanks,
mike S

I really enjoyed the Secret film. Finally a bit more spiritual tone to popularized LoA. But I was surprised by some of the other people who saw it with me, angry at the materialistic message or confused at the concept. This in a spiritual group. Its a very easy concept to mess up with blame or superficial deserving agendas. You see as you are.

Action is indeed a key point because in doing we take concept into reality. Without action, how will it express? Someone has to do.

Another mistake people make is being isolationist. Thinking ‘I want this’ outside of the context of the larger world. Nothing happens outside that context so unless you take it into account, it won’t happen.

People also tend to carry quite a bit of “subconscious” trash around. As much as we may think good thoughts, if our deeper energy is repressed, it can thwart effort. Indeed, that deeper energy is much more powerful than superficial thought. So getting clear and getting in touch with it will make you much more effective. Just read book 3 of Patanjali’s Yoga Sutra’s if you want to know just how effective. Formulas for miracles.

When I explored LoA, I found deeper meaning in the idea of the law of Resonance, suggested by Dov Baron. Tune your energy, sync to it. Then even deeper I found the flow. Stepping into the flow, the movement of the One, Life itself.

I also found that the need to act has a deeper value. What I call Engagement. Its like a deeper value of commitment, of becoming. Of really connecting with the flow of your life rather than standing as a bystander. No resistance.

Finally, Tom, I wanted to remark on your comment about there not being anything “outside of LIFE”. I laughed at that as it has, I think, a bunch of double meanings. Outside of life is the nothing that is everything, including life. And No thing is outside of life…

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