Comments on: Sedona Method Retreat Days 4 and 5 http://tomstine.com/sedona-method-retreat-days-4-and-5/ Teachings on Spiritual Awakening and Enlightenment Sun, 03 Jul 2011 12:24:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Tom Stine http://tomstine.com/sedona-method-retreat-days-4-and-5/comment-page-1/#comment-933 Tom Stine Sun, 29 Jun 2008 02:21:41 +0000 http://tomstine.com/sedona-method-retreat-days-4-and-5/#comment-933 @Davidya while it is true that there is a knowingness that comes after awakening, and that it is probably wise to never say never, the point with regard to "mental" knowingness is well made. Knowingness, as you describe, is a fresh, "in the moment" kind of thing. @Sam Glad you enjoyed the post. Sedona is one of my favorite spots on Earth. It is wonderful being here. Thanks for the comment! @Andrea Yes, this retreat is a very good one. The Sedona Method, as one goes beyond the basics, fits squarely into the entire nondual, advaita tradition. As I mentioned to Davidya, I agree about knowingness. It is a beginning. There is a knowing that is clearly beyond the mind. And much preferable. :-) @Davidya while it is true that there is a knowingness that comes after awakening, and that it is probably wise to never say never, the point with regard to “mental” knowingness is well made. Knowingness, as you describe, is a fresh, “in the moment” kind of thing.

@Sam Glad you enjoyed the post. Sedona is one of my favorite spots on Earth. It is wonderful being here. Thanks for the comment!

@Andrea Yes, this retreat is a very good one. The Sedona Method, as one goes beyond the basics, fits squarely into the entire nondual, advaita tradition. As I mentioned to Davidya, I agree about knowingness. It is a beginning. There is a knowing that is clearly beyond the mind. And much preferable. :-)

]]> By: Andrea Hess|Empowered Soul http://tomstine.com/sedona-method-retreat-days-4-and-5/comment-page-1/#comment-932 Andrea Hess|Empowered Soul Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:12:13 +0000 http://tomstine.com/sedona-method-retreat-days-4-and-5/#comment-932 I've really enjoyed these updates, Tom! Sounds like you are having an incredible experience. I would agree with Davidya that acceptance of not knowing is a beginning, because it is the point at which we let go of the mind and start knowing through being. Blessings, Andrea <em>Andrea Hess|Empowered Soul's last blog post..<a href='http://www.empoweredsoul.com/blog/2008/06/24/intuition-intention-and-decision-making/' rel="nofollow">Intuition, Intention and Decision-Making</a></em> I’ve really enjoyed these updates, Tom! Sounds like you are having an incredible experience.

I would agree with Davidya that acceptance of not knowing is a beginning, because it is the point at which we let go of the mind and start knowing through being.

Blessings,
Andrea

Andrea Hess|Empowered Soul’s last blog post..Intuition, Intention and Decision-Making

]]> By: Sam http://tomstine.com/sedona-method-retreat-days-4-and-5/comment-page-1/#comment-931 Sam Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:26:21 +0000 http://tomstine.com/sedona-method-retreat-days-4-and-5/#comment-931 Thanks for this post. I was recently in Sedona also - a very high place I felt. Your cactus photo is great. Thanks for this post. I was recently in Sedona also – a very high place I felt. Your cactus photo is great.

]]> By: Davidya http://tomstine.com/sedona-method-retreat-days-4-and-5/comment-page-1/#comment-930 Davidya Sat, 28 Jun 2008 05:32:20 +0000 http://tomstine.com/sedona-method-retreat-days-4-and-5/#comment-930 Thanks for the update. I especially like the manifestation and problems points. If we accept that its all consciousness, how can there be a mistake? How can there be a need to change anything? If it all happens in consciousness, who is the doer? If our response to circumstances is based on our awareness in the moment, who is determining that awareness? Where then is blame? Yada yada... I would however disagree with one point. "The ultimate knowingness is not knowing." I have learned to never say never, never say ultimate, final, highest, etc. In the infinite there is always more. The deep acceptance of not knowing, followed by the deep knowingness of nothing are stages in opening. I would not say this is ultimate but rather the beginning. When you realize all of what you knew was an illusion, this is just the opening to begin to really know. Yes, its a relief to let go of the idea of ever knowing as it is not the mind that can really know. Thats a necessary step. But much deeper is the knowingness itself. The flow that we see as the world, the movement of awareness through all things, that is pure knowledge. Veda. We stand immersed in a sea of knowledge. Indeed we are knowledge. But not knowledge the mind can grasp except in facsimile. Knowledge we can only be. And that is knowledge it would take many lifetimes to explore. One final thing. A much wiser man than I said that not everyone can cognize. But everyone can realize.(awaken) I would suspect if you have that tickle to know its because you can. ;-) <em>Davidya's last blog post..<a href='http://in2deep.wordpress.com/2008/06/28/the-a-to-z-of-being/' rel="nofollow">The A to Z of Being</a></em> Thanks for the update. I especially like the manifestation and problems points. If we accept that its all consciousness, how can there be a mistake? How can there be a need to change anything? If it all happens in consciousness, who is the doer? If our response to circumstances is based on our awareness in the moment, who is determining that awareness? Where then is blame? Yada yada…

I would however disagree with one point.
“The ultimate knowingness is not knowing.” I have learned to never say never, never say ultimate, final, highest, etc. In the infinite there is always more.

The deep acceptance of not knowing, followed by the deep knowingness of nothing are stages in opening. I would not say this is ultimate but rather the beginning. When you realize all of what you knew was an illusion, this is just the opening to begin to really know.

Yes, its a relief to let go of the idea of ever knowing as it is not the mind that can really know. Thats a necessary step. But much deeper is the knowingness itself. The flow that we see as the world, the movement of awareness through all things, that is pure knowledge. Veda. We stand immersed in a sea of knowledge. Indeed we are knowledge. But not knowledge the mind can grasp except in facsimile. Knowledge we can only be. And that is knowledge it would take many lifetimes to explore.

One final thing. A much wiser man than I said that not everyone can cognize. But everyone can realize.(awaken) I would suspect if you have that tickle to know its because you can. ;-)

Davidya’s last blog post..The A to Z of Being

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