If this is not seen, there is simply some further value of illusion to awaken from. This is why some speak of a series of awakenings. The awakening from the illusion of individual is only the first. If we do not see the full mechanics of the world, we have not yet woken from the illusion of the world. That is the secret of Maya. Within it, it is the illusion. Outside, it becomes the ladder.

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As for intention, I think you will find that as you step deeper into oneness, the process of expression will reveal itself. The role of intention will then be apparent.

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I didn’t know you were headed for a retreat. If you aren’t able to connect online, be sure to write down your findings to share them at a later time. Have a great time, wherever you are off to.

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For me, individual exists, but not as separate from the One. It is rather like an increment of the whole. But to come to the cosmic I, one must first step out of the individual I and see it correctly.

Must run. Am moved and now am off to retreat 1.

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@ Davidya

Thanks for going into it even further. It is still outside of one’s perception, but that is probably due to the words in use. We may all be saying the same thing, but the words get in the way, along with our definitions.

Perhaps Tom and I are using the word “intention” as a determination to act in a certain way. There is the idea behind the intention, and the fragmented mind behind the idea. These are facts, as we can look into the world and see how fragmentation permeates the populations of earth and separates all.

Now, seeing that the world is fragmented; and if one is not there, we can go further into it; are there any individuals at all? (Individual meaning = not broken, not separated, or undivided.) And don’t say, “Yes, I am an individual.” That may or may not be true, but if one is undivided, they can’t really say, “I am an individual.” It is an immediate separation. If one is “enlightened,” whatever that means, and they say they are an individual, it is immediately the me that is not divided vs. the they that are. This may be due to the use of the word individual, though.

Don’t trust anyone that needs to convince you they are enlightened.

By the way, I am not saying it is or isn’t the case, and I am not saying this to Tom, Davidya, or anyone else. I am just going into the words as they appear.

It appears we have left the neighborhood of the post topic. Oops. Sorry about that.

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Thanks for your comments. I’m very glad you are enjoying my blog. Namaste.

All is possible. All is possible. I just can’t go with you, Davidya, on assigning a definitive intent, even in the manner in which you describe it. And so what?

@Albert Nice to be back. I missed all of you, too.

Intention – again, not a statement like an affirmation in this context. What is it that causes the thought to arise? What is it that causes awareness to move, to flow? What draws potential energy into motion, then form? This is what I mean by intention. It is not the intention of the individual but that of the whole. The individual is the vehicle.

In that sense, Tom is right. Individual purpose or intention is an illusion. The ego taking credit, always after the fact. But from the perspective of the one, all is intended, all has purpose. Not for gain or credit, simply to express.

The question of purpose is interesting. For Tom, purpose may be to express love but may not even be. For Takuin, the question of individual purpose is meaningless. For me, my purpose has been quite clear for some time. But its a broad abstract purpose that continues to express in unexpected ways. And one I don’t entirely accept the implications of. Same movement seen many ways.

Apologies if I don’t entirely make sense but I’m pretty tired. Even with a simplified life, one has stuff to move when moving… (laughs) And one is no longer 21.

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Sometimes it can go on and on like this.

If there is a purpose, it is not to be had, but lived, within every moment of life. But Takuin cannot solidify a conceptual purpose.

@Davidya – Maybe you could go into what you mean by intention. I do not understand what you mean when you use that word. If there is an underlying intent, who’s intending the intention? You explained it all very well, but perhaps there is another way to put it? Thanks.

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I have the Sedona Method on CD, and I’ve found it very helpful. A imagine a retreat would take it even further.

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In this context, the best way I could describe purpose is the driver of the intent. Tom’s purpose is thus what drove him into form.

Without intention, there is no expression. No Tom. So the experience of Tom means there is a purpose.

I agree that there is no fixed definition because it depends on where you are “standing”. Even with one truth, there are so many ways of seeing it. That’s intended too (laughs)

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As for purpose: the one thing I’ve learned on this journey is that I simply can’t know anything with any certainty. Definitive statements just don’t exist. All statements, all words, are just pointers, as the Buddhists would say. So how can there be purpose? Purpose is a definition, a summation, all done with words. Even a statement of purpose, no matter what its intent, is just a pointer at something. That said, IF there is any purpose, I think what you stated matches my statement pretty well. But a true purpose? I doubt it. Life is a mystery. Always will be. And I love it more for it.

Interesting about your own history too. I also was mr. involved then pulled away. Raising a family changed my attention. And then life changed and the spiritual came back – only now much more grounded, clear and progressive. They talk sometimes about the inward and outward strokes of life…

Oh- and there is a purpose. How we perceive that purpose evolves. But there is a point to the whole enchilada. The reason why the fundamental experience is one of peace, happiness, and love? It’s a celebration. And each person who awakes expands the party.

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